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| You almost got the point :) | Apr 4, 2011 |
Adrian Grant wrote:
Prof. Angie G. wrote:
Adrian Grant wrote:
Arguing in the street - Italian
Ah ah ah, we don't argue in the streets too much these days, believeme, 
Don't tell me they've outsourced it to India.
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| | | | Adam Łobatiuk
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Vadim Kadyrov wrote:
is the language you would consider quite soft and melodic. It has the grammar almost identical to Russian, with its phonetics much more pleasant. Just find in Wikipedia an audio of someone speaking Ukrainian. You will surely fall in love with it!
And Belarusian - the two do sound different, but are quite similar, and their native vocabulary and word formation are just wonderful.
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| I understand what you mean | Apr 4, 2011 |
efreitag wrote:
I've always wondered why so many people like the sound of the Italian language so much. Ask ten people in the street the sound of which language they like best, and I'll bet at least nine of them will reply it's Italian.
To my ears, Italian often has a somewhat blaring quality and sounds nowhere near as nice as French (or many other languages). My French is quite ok, while I don't speak Italian at all.
I'm more than willing to admit that the problem most probably is with my ears, not with other people's or with the Italian language, though 
It could seem strange but I think I understand what you mean, I think I am able to judge my native language objectively, and yes if compared to other languages its sound is somewhat blaring.
In my opinion this is due to the fact that all Italian words end with a vowel so the rythm is slow, sometimes even too slow, phonetic is easy and clear.
Also IMHO this is the reason why it is appropriate for a certain melodic type of music and not appropriate for rock music, which needs a quicker rythm and where English is the best.
Bye bye all!
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Apparently because of the pronunciation of Swedish vowels, Sweden produces probably more renowned singers than any other country in the world in relation to its size, population wise. For example Jussi Björling, the best tenor ever.
Swedish choirs are also outstanding in their clarity, tone and ability.
The Berlin Philarmonic Orchestra has regularly used a Swedish choir.
(I'm not Swedish.)
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| no doubt: Portuguese! | Apr 5, 2011 |
no other language is more musical to my ear
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| | | | wonita (X)
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Автор темы | Sign language is beautiful | Apr 5, 2011 |
Some years ago, when I attended a conference in the Youth Hotel in Nürnberg, a group of deaf people were on a conference in the same hotel. Since we had our breakfast in the same dining hall, I could observe them closely.
I was so much impressed by the sign language they used to communicate with each other. I find them elegant when conveying their ideas with a combination of hand gesture, movement and facial expression. After observing them for some time, you could even tell who ... See more Some years ago, when I attended a conference in the Youth Hotel in Nürnberg, a group of deaf people were on a conference in the same hotel. Since we had our breakfast in the same dining hall, I could observe them closely.
I was so much impressed by the sign language they used to communicate with each other. I find them elegant when conveying their ideas with a combination of hand gesture, movement and facial expression. After observing them for some time, you could even tell who was more eloquent, and who not so talkative. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Agree with the above! | Apr 5, 2011 |
Seeing sign language interpreters at work is an amazing thing!
I love German in an intellectual way, but my heart is with Latvian because of my love for our culture. I like humor best in English, though!
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| Why the Italian language is so beautiful... | Apr 5, 2011 |
efreitag wrote:
I've always wondered why so many people like the sound of the Italian language so much. Ask ten people in the street the sound of which language they like best, and I'll bet at least nine of them will reply it's Italian.
To my ears, Italian often has a somewhat blaring quality and sounds nowhere near as nice as French (or many other languages). My French is quite ok, while I don't speak Italian at all.
I'm more than willing to admit that the problem most probably is with my ears, not with other people's or with the Italian language, though
This might be part of an explanation:
"Development [of the Italian language]
During the long period of the evolution of Italian, many dialects sprang up. The multiplicity of these dialects and their individual claims upon their native speakers as pure Italian speech presented a peculiar difficulty in the evolution of an accepted form of Italian that would reflect the cultural unity of the entire peninsula. Even the earliest popular Italian documents, produced in the 10th century, are dialectal in language, and during the following three centuries Italian writers wrote in their native dialects, producing a number of competing regional schools of literature.
During the 14th century the Tuscan dialect began to predominate, because of the central position of Tuscany in Italy, and because of the aggressive commerce of its most important city, Florence. Moreover, of all the Italian dialects, Tuscan departs least in morphology and phonology from classical Latin, and it therefore harmonizes best with the Italian traditions of Latin culture. Finally, Florentine culture produced the three literary artists who best summarized Italian thought and feeling of the late Middle Ages and early Renaissance: Dante, Petrarca, and Boccaccio."
As far as I'm informed, the reason why the Tuscan dialect was chosen as the official Italian language was not only for the economic reasons mentioned above, but had to do with the beauty of that dialect inspired by the arts dominant in that area.
As far as my personal preference is concerned, I always feel like the Italian language exudes so much passion and liveliness. Whereas, when I address my children in my native tongue, German, and non-German speakers hear me, they often wonder why I was yelling at them (when in reality I was just communicating with them...)
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French and Dutch (Dutch especially spoken by men)
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| great book on Bembo | Apr 5, 2011 |
Melanie Meyer wrote:
As far as I'm informed, the reason why the Tuscan dialect was chosen as the official Italian language was not only for the economic reasons mentioned above, but had to do with the beauty of that dialect inspired by the arts dominant in that area.
I read a good part of a book that I considered a great leisurely read on Cardinal Bembo:
Pietro Bembo: lover, linguist, cardinal
By Carol Kidwell
The book tells quite a bit about how Bembo went about pushing the establishment of Italian based on the Tuscan dialect, as opposed to other competing dialects of the time (and also regarding the use of Latin). He maneuvered in various ways to form a clique of influential people to realize this objective, and these maneuvers are interesting in and of themselves.
And some of his love letters are... unforgettable!
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| | | | | The meaning of native languages | Apr 5, 2011 |
Daina Jauntirans wrote:
but my heart is with Latvian because of my love for our culture. I like humor best in English, though!
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My heart is obvíously with Swedish. I am Swedish and I always will be no matter where I live. I remember reading research during my studies that showed that no other language can mean as much as you're own since it's the language you have most refereces and connotations to. Perhaps this is why I find love songs in Swedish more naked and meaningful than in French or English and why I somehow prefer Latvians singing in Latvian than English...
| | | | | certainly Greek | Apr 5, 2011 |
1. It sounds great
2. It has an appealing grammar
3. It is considered exotic, from some reasons, I don't know exactly why
4. Greek words are connected with mythology, history and everything, so it is really interesting and fun to learn this language
5. Probably all European languages have Greek influences. I use to say that everything is Greek arround If you would start learning it, you would understand wha... See more 1. It sounds great
2. It has an appealing grammar
3. It is considered exotic, from some reasons, I don't know exactly why
4. Greek words are connected with mythology, history and everything, so it is really interesting and fun to learn this language
5. Probably all European languages have Greek influences. I use to say that everything is Greek arround If you would start learning it, you would understand what I mean.
6. Ancient Greek should probably be on my first place. I didn't study it, unfortunately and I know I missed a lot. There is stil time though. I know very little from ancient Greek, but imagine being able to read all those philosophical thoughts as they were actually thought...
I also find Russian very rich. There are no things that could not be expressed well and beautiful in Russian. It is not the same thing with Romanian, though, which I also love, because it is my native language and it sounds so pure.
Spanish is in my top 5 too. I always wanted to learn it, but never managed to.
I find Italian tiring. It has actually many things in common with Romanian, so I can not understand why I dislike it.
I am learning Dutch now and I find it complicated. Much more complicated than Greek, I would say.
But the list could continue. All languages are beautiful in a way or another. ▲ Collapse
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Vincenzo Di Maso
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I love Arabic, French and English.
I don't like Italian and Portuguese, the languages of the countries in which I live!
| | | | | most beautiful | Mar 1, 2013 |
Bin Tiede wrote:
I like Japanese, especially the Japanese spoken by Japanese women, sounds like a poem.
I agree. Japanese is the most beautiful Asian language.
I also like any language that is smooth and rolls of the tongue. Arabic, French, Italian, Polish, etc. Those are languages of love.
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| Fact vs. Subjective Opinion | Mar 2, 2013 |
veratek wrote:
I believe the discussion on what is beauty and aesthetic quality can never be reduced to a conclusion stating that everything is beautiful (or more particularly here, that every language is beautiful).
I don't think that's quite what the essay gets at. It makes a few good points, one of the most important being that value judgements regarding language aesthetics do not, and never will exist in a social vacuum.
However, the central premise which I think is most important to stress is that there really needs to awareness over the difference between linguistic fact and subjective judgements. There is evidence of this conflation in this very thread, sadly.
The authors do concede that "the inherent value hypothesis...is an understandable...social myth", but highlight the chasm in difference between fact/opinion:
"In the classroom, there is a huge and important difference between the 'German is ugly' statement of apparent fact, and 'I personally find German speech unattractive', which, even if better left unsaid, is nevertheless a recognition of the subjectivity of responses due to social connotations".
There are statements of apparent fact in this thread which go something like "Language X is more [insert subjective adjective] than language Y" or even "Language X is more [insert subjective adjective] than ALL OTHER LANGUAGES". You can forever see statements which claim "Latin/Greek/Sanskrit/Italian etc...is more logical than any other language. Logical? Human languages are many things, logical is not one of them.
A similar argument occurs when people talk about the "complexity" of different languages. Subjective opinion abounds, but linguistic fact is thin on the ground.
There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, believing something, especially on aesthetic grounds, as long as you understand it isn't based on linguistic fact or universal "truth".
Although the glimmer of light is shown in that the OP did ask "which language is the most beautiful for you".
For me, based on purely subjective aesthetic grounds, it's Hebrew
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