склонность к рассуждательству

English translation: tendency to engage in argumentation

17:35 Jun 5, 2008
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general)
Russian term or phrase: склонность к рассуждательству
На фоне терапии сохранилась подозрительность к окружающим и склонность к рассуждательству.

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M.D. (X)
English translation:tendency to engage in argumentation
Explanation:
...suspicious attitude and tendency to engage in argumentation...

I suppose it might have been "intricate argumentation" or something like that, but it would probably be going overboard to add a qualifier.

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I'm just trying to think if the medical people use a technical term for this compulsive argumentation, or compulsive hyper-ratiocination (!), or whatever it might be. But I'm not aware of one. I mean what Olga said in her comment (which I saw after posting.)

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Hey, "hyperratiocination" is a word! But, I found it in a description of Conan Doyle literary career, not psychiatry (though there may be some overlap): "The novel marks the beginning of the end of his hyperratiocination phase that had begun with the Sherlock Holmes tales..."

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Several psychology texts use "compulsive internal dialogue," but I don't know how "internal" the behavior your text describes is. "...tendency to engage in compulsive internal dialogue" sounds good, but may be too far afield.
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Rachel Douglas
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2tendency to engage in argumentation
Rachel Douglas
4 +1proclivity towards verbosity/soliloquy
nrabate
4proneness to argue (or to reasoning)
Ellen Kraus
4inclination to philosophizing
natasha stoyanova
4disposition to futile judgements / philosophizing
Voalink
3tendency to argue
Mark Berelekhis
2tendency to reason/argue
Mikhail Kropotov
2tendency to philosophyze/ brood over
Natalia Potashnik


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tendency to reason/argue


Explanation:
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Mikhail Kropotov
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
tendency to argue


Explanation:
I'm semi-guessing as to what рассуждать would mean in this context, but arguing seems the more probably option.

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*probablE

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I don't know about that, it's listed as a known symptom in at least paranoid schizophrenia.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ldp8AwBn-UcJ:www.healths...

There are plenty of other links.

Signs/Symptoms

Schizophrenia usually develops gradually, although onset can be sudden. Friends and family often notice the first changes before the victim does. Among the signs are:

* Confusion
* Inability to make decisions
* Hallucinations
* Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
* Delusions
* Nervousness
* Strange statements or behavior
* Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
* Neglect of personal hygiene
* Anger
* Indifference to the opinions of others
* A tendency to argue
* A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_a6OkT3heNoJ:www.signsof...


Mark Berelekhis
United States
Local time: 13:50
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PRO pts in category: 68

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Olga Cartlidge: Such patients tend to engage in animated discussions with themselves (e.g. putting a question to themselves, reflecting on the possible answers and then saying "I cannot answer that question....) so "argue" may not be the exact term.
39 mins
  -> If that's the meaning of рассуждать in this context, then you are right. To me the meaning seemed a bit different. Thank you for your comment.
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tendency to philosophyze/ brood over


Explanation:
может так и написать - to philosophyze?

Или to brood over, если человек зацикливается на одной мысли

Natalia Potashnik
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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
tendency to engage in argumentation


Explanation:
...suspicious attitude and tendency to engage in argumentation...

I suppose it might have been "intricate argumentation" or something like that, but it would probably be going overboard to add a qualifier.

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Note added at 52 mins (2008-06-05 18:27:54 GMT)
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I'm just trying to think if the medical people use a technical term for this compulsive argumentation, or compulsive hyper-ratiocination (!), or whatever it might be. But I'm not aware of one. I mean what Olga said in her comment (which I saw after posting.)

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Note added at 57 mins (2008-06-05 18:33:10 GMT)
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Hey, "hyperratiocination" is a word! But, I found it in a description of Conan Doyle literary career, not psychiatry (though there may be some overlap): "The novel marks the beginning of the end of his hyperratiocination phase that had begun with the Sherlock Holmes tales..."

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-05 18:37:09 GMT)
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Several psychology texts use "compulsive internal dialogue," but I don't know how "internal" the behavior your text describes is. "...tendency to engage in compulsive internal dialogue" sounds good, but may be too far afield.

Rachel Douglas
United States
Local time: 13:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 40
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Olga Cartlidge: also "rambling" i.e. ''tendency to engage in rambling internal dialogue" - such patients tend to ramble and mutter to themselves. ("outbursts of rambling... match the diagnostic" http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ZYcsBEhSupQJ:www.nytime...
28 mins
  -> Right, I agree on ditching "compulsive." Adding meaning that's not in the original is what I meant by "too far afield." Thanks, Olga.

agree  Tatiana N. (X): which is in itself not a medical diagnosis :)
1 hr
  -> True. But, we haven't been told if this is a formal medical write-up, or something relatively casual. Thanks.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
proneness to argue (or to reasoning)


Explanation:
just one more suggestion. proneness, by the way, is frequently used in medical terms

Ellen Kraus
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
proclivity towards verbosity/soliloquy


Explanation:
my take

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soliloquy

nrabate
United States
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alexandra Goldburt: In view of Lubuv's note about psychiatry/schisofrenia, verbosity seems to be more appropriate than arguing.
1 hr
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
inclination to philosophizing


Explanation:
Several psychiatric schools are satirized in the process. ...... At the same time he shows his inclination to philosophize

Positive: Inclination to meditative or reflective thinking, philosophizing, analyz-. ing one's self and others. Negative: Extravertive orientation in ...
www.springerlink.com/index/6J872RX1P2K5511V.pdf



natasha stoyanova
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5 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
disposition to futile judgements / philosophizing


Explanation:
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Овчаренко В.И. Англо-русский психоаналитический словарь. М.: 2003


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Voalink
Russian Federation
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Notes to answerer
Asker: В русско-английском медицинском разговорнике В.И. Петрова 2000 такой же вариант. К сожалению, эти термины встречаются исключительно в русскоязычной литературе.

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