Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
ing.
English translation:
BSc in Engineering, BEng (also abbreviated as BE)
Dutch term
ing.
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Jack den Haan
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Robert Kleemaier
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Etienne Muylle Wallace
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Tina Vonhof (X)
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Jun 18, 2007 18:06: vic voskuil changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Jun 19, 2007 06:40: Antoinette Verburg changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
Jun 19, 2007 14:36: Antoinette Verburg changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Jun 20, 2007 14:23: Jack den Haan Created KOG entry
Jun 20, 2007 21:06: D.K. Tannwitz changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/2519">Jack den Haan's</a> old entry - "ing."" to ""BSc in Engineering, BEng (also abbreviated as BE)""
Jul 15, 2007 10:23: D.K. Tannwitz changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/99709">D.K. Tannwitz's</a> old entry - "ing."" to ""BSc in Engineering, BEng (also abbreviated as BE)""
Feb 12, 2021 09:03: Karen Zaragoza changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
PRO (2): Jack den Haan, Michael Beijer
Non-PRO (3): Adam Smith, CJG (X), vic voskuil
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Proposed translations
Netherlands
Qualified engineer, translator & teacher
Native in: Dutch 
, English (Variants: US, UK)
Works in: Dutch to English, English to Dutch
BSc in Engineering, BEng (also abbreviated as BE)
The title of 'ir.' -- also used extensively in the Netherlands -- is an academic title for graduates of universities of technology at MSc level. It also means 'ingenieur', and is equivalent to the German title Dipl. Ing. Like 'ing.', the title is written before the name. e.g. ir. Piet Snot. In Anglo-Saxon countries, a person holding this title is also allowed to carry the title of Master of Science (MSc) or Master of Engineering (MEng or ME) after the name, e.g. Piet Snot, MEng.
Until recently, universities in the Netherlands did not have offer degrees at a bachelor level. Most universities have now adopted, or are adopting, the Anglo-Saxon system of a bachelor's degree as first academic degree.
References:
1. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titulatuur_hoger_onderwijs
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree
3. Nederlandse Hoger Onderwijs Termen in het Engels.
4. Yours truly... I happen to be a graduate of an HBO institute in engineering (HTS, Hogere Technische School) and have been awarded the title of 'ing.' myself ;-)
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The professional organisation in the NL for professional engineers nowadays, by the way, is the "Koninklijk Instituut Van Ingenieurs
KIVI NIRIA". (I am member of this institute myself, and have been for years.)
See: http://www.ingenieurs.net/Resource.phx/community/mainpage/ma...
"Koninklijk Instituut Van Ingenieurs KIVI NIRIA is dé Nederlandse beroepsvereniging van en voor ingenieurs, opgeleid aan universiteiten en hogescholen, en vormt een hoogwaardig technisch kennis- en kennissennetwerk."
PS: I think this issue is complicated enough to qualify as a PRO question...
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CI95
: @Adam: it's not as if a BSc (or any other degree) is a well-defined concept in the Anglo-Saxon world. Course requirements/levels vary widely across countries and universities/colleges
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Thank you, Anglocast.
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Margreet Logmans (X)
: Clear and informative.
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Thank you, Margreet.
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Saskia Steur (X)
: Precies, zo een ben ik er ook ;-)
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Thank you, Saskia. Kunnen we elkaar 'n hand geven. Had anders vast ook wel gekund ;-)
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Kobe Vander Beken
: In België is het net zo. Ing. is voor ingenieuren die aan een Hogeschool gestudeerd hebben en ir. voor ingenieuren met een universiteitsdiploma.
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Bedankt Kobe. Wist ik niet. Weer wat geleerd!
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writeaway
: in English, the title "Engineer" already implies the qualifications/study involved. do you suggest all this is needed on a certficate (or whatever the context is)? this is definitely not a complicated isssue at all, even if it is now "pro" again.
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1. 'Engineer' as such is not an academic title. 2. All that is needed on a certificate is BSc or BEng. 3. Apparently the issue is complicated enough to cause quite a bit of discussion.
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Adam Smith
: It's hard to say without knowing the exact details of where they studied whether this reflects a BEng/BSc/BA or any combination of master's qualifications//It's the other way around:BA/MA -> Ing or Ir. We don't know which, so "Engineer"
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According to Dutch law, holders of the 'ing' title have the right to carry a bachelor's title. IMHO, a cv in English would certainly be one place to use it, and would clarify the issue of BSc or BEng. BA is not applicable here.
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Tina Vonhof (X)
: In North America a HTS graduate cannot claim to have a university degree - at best they can say in a footnote 'equivalent to B.Eng.' Note that a B.Sc. in engineering is awarded only if you have done independent research and written a thesis.
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Thanks Tina, but I think that's a different issue. The question here is how to translate the title of 'ing.'. Acc. to Dutch law, it is a bachelor qualification. That makes sense, considering that NL universities previously did not offer bachelor degrees.
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Michael Beijer
: https://www.nuffic.nl/en/nuffic-glossary/ingenieur-ing/
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Thank you Michael!
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engineer
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Robert Kleemaier
: typo - mea culpa!
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vic voskuil
: "an" abbreviation... ;)
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writeaway
: you don't have to repost an answer because of a typo!
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engineer
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please note Steeve's correction below
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Ballistic
: ingEnieur
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merci
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vic voskuil
: Nb 2: Steeve's correction is above now (making no sense whatsoever for someone who starts reading at the top of the page;)
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bedankt, Vic
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writeaway
: this is enough answer for the context.
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thank you, ma'am.
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Adam Smith
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Cheers, Adam!
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Professional Engineer (P.Eng.)
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Asker mentions "HTS", in other words, the person does not have a university degree.
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Jack den Haan
: What you describe, Tina, is the rather outdated concept of 'registeringenieur' (chartered engineer, Chart. Eng.), that was in place in the NL until about 1970. It is very unusual nowadays for an "ing." to place the title after his/her name.
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There might have been kinder ways to put it Jack but thanks for the update.
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Discussion
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Onderwijs
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Overall kwaliteitszorg van alle projecten en documentatie binnen de ICT organisatie van XXX NL.
Thank you all for your inputs - all are helpful (even for future questions
in this very special field).
I know why I have asked this "tiny" question ;-)
even though I am aware of the term "engineer" !
My father was ir. (Mining).