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Jan 30, 2018 18:58
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English term

LIVE TENSION WITH GENERAL BREAKER IN OFF POSITION

English to French Tech/Engineering Electronics / Elect Eng
Terme trouvé sur liste Excel . Urgent,merci.

Discussion

Emmanuella (asker) Feb 7, 2018:
@ Johannes - Vous avez raison. Je viens de prendre connaissance de vos propositions de ce jour. Désolée
Johannes Gleim Feb 7, 2018:
@ Emmanuella Merci ! Mais je préférais un terme terme français et j’ajoutais plusieurs traductions pour "OFF".
Emmanuella (asker) Feb 7, 2018:
@Johannes - DISJONCTEUR EN POSITION OFF
Johannes Gleim Feb 7, 2018:
@ Emmanuella The e explanation 'General breaker always under voltage if is OFF ' is correct. But you asked for an appropriate translation. How did you translatè "GENERAL BREAKER IN OFF POSITION"?
Emmanuella (asker) Feb 6, 2018:
Merci à tous - J'ai indiqué 'présence de tension'
Emmanuella (asker) Feb 2, 2018:
Hereafter the explanation I've just received : 'General breaker always under voltage if is OFF '. I thank you all for your help.
Emmanuella (asker) Jan 30, 2018:
@ Tony M - OK, thanks
Tony M Jan 30, 2018:
@ Asker No, not really — if it means what I am suggesting, then it is more about being unintentionally slightly 'live' (through leakage, induction, etc.); so it's more about what voltage if any may be present where it shouldn't be.
Emmanuella (asker) Jan 30, 2018:
@ Tony M - Johannes Gleim - Thanks , which means that the translation suggested by David Henrion would be correct.
Johannes Gleim Jan 30, 2018:
With Tony ..
Tony M Jan 30, 2018:
@ Asker In that case, my instinctive reading here would be "the voltage present on parts designated as 'Live' even when the master circuit-breaker is open" — or it might be "the fact that there is voltage present at all on..."
Emmanuella (asker) Jan 30, 2018:
Thanks Tony. I agree , the EN is flawed. I tried to ask additional information . Unfortunately, I have not received any answer yet. That's why I posted . I understand it's not easy. This document might originate from Italy.
Tony M Jan 30, 2018:
@ Asker Now we are beginning to get a picture... and the EN here seems flawed; so do you know what country this document originates from?

Proposed translations

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Sous tension avec disjoncteur général sur off

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Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Doesn't quite ring true here — 'live' on its own, maybe, but no reason to add 'tension'; I think this means the voltage present (or the fact that voltage is present) even with the breaker open.
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neutral Kim Metzger : Why not translate 'General breaker always under voltage if OFF'?
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2 days 7 hrs

parties actives sous tension avec disjoncteur en position normale hors service

Domaine  Electronique et électrotechnique  Commentaire relatif au domaine  Electronics: Electronic components and devices: Electric and magnetic passive circuitry 
 en 
Définition the position which the button of a push-button switch assumes when no force has been exerted on it
Terme normal off position
Fiabilité 3 (fiable) 
Réf. du terme IEV 581-12-29

 fr 
Définition position dans laquelle le bouton-poussoir d'un contacteur à touches se trouve lorsque aucune pression n'a été exercée sur lui  
Réf. de la définition VEI 581-12-29 
Terme
position normale hors service 
Fiabilité 3 (fiable) Réf. du termeVEI 581-12-29 
http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l... position&sourceLanguage=en&domain=6826&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

Area Switchgear, controlgear and fuses / Switching devices
en
circuit-breaker mechanical switching device, capable of making, carrying and breaking currents under normal circuit conditions and also making, carrying for a specified duration and breaking currents under specified abnormal circuit conditions such as those of short circuit

fr
disjoncteur, mappareil mécanique de connexion capable d'établir, de supporter et d'interrompre des courants dans les conditions normales du circuit, ainsi que d'établir, de supporter pendant une durée spécifiée et d'interrompre des courants dans des conditions anormales spécifiées du circuit telles que celles du court-circuit
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

Area Earthing and protection against electric shock / Electrical installations and equipment
en
live part conductor or conductive part intended to be energized in normal operation, including a neutral conductor, but by convention not a PEN conductor or PEM conductor or PEL conductor
Note – This concept does not necessarily imply a risk of electric shock.

[SOURCE: 826-03-01 MOD]
fr
partie active, f conducteur ou partie conductrice destiné à être sous tension en service normal, y compris le conducteur de neutre, mais par convention, excepté le conducteur PEN, le conducteur PEM ou le conducteur PEL

Note – La notion n'implique pas nécessairement un risque de choc électrique.
[SOURCE: 826-03-01 MOD]
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...


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Note added at 7 Tage (2018-02-07 08:45:54 GMT)
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Je sais que l’anglais est trop souvent utilisé à la place du français. Je repérerais un terme français, comme suivant :

off (électr) / hors circuit, coupé, « arrêt », éteint (lampe)
(Ernst, Dictionnaire de la Technique Industrielle)

off (électr) / hors circuit, coupé, « arrêt », éteint (lampe)
(Ernst, Dictionnaire de la Technique Industrielle)

Domain Electronics and electrical engineering
Domain note active components: semiconductors
en
Definition a stable state of a semiconductor switching device in which a negligible current flows,although the potential applied is significant in value
Definition Ref. Angeli,F., Semiconductors Int.Dict.,1971

Term OFF state
Reliability 3 (Reliable)

fr
Term état ouvert
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
Term Ref. Semiconduttori Diz Int(F Angeli 1971)
http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l...

Area Signalling and security apparatus for railways / Signals
IEV ref 821-02-09
en out-of-commission signal
signal for which the operation and control are not in service
fr signal hors service, m
signal dont la manoeuvre et le contrôle ne sont pas assurés
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

Domain Electronics and electrical engineering
fr
Term arrêter
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
Term Ref. E.HAMMAN, Ingénieur ENSAIS

Term interrompre
Reliability 3 (Reliable)

Term mettre hors service
Reliability 3 (Reliable)

Term couper un circuit électrique
Reliability 3 (Reliable)

en
Term cutout switch
Reliability 3 (Reliable)

Term on-off switch
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l...
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sous tension même avec disjoncteur général ouvert

In that case, with the additional context, we know that the source EN is definitely flawed, and this is what it ought to mean.
Depending which bits are "sous tension" when they shouldn't be, you might need to specify 'appareil / parties / éléments' etc.
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