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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

ritmado compás imperfecto

English translation:

rhythmic triple time/meter

Added to glossary by Lisa McCarthy
Aug 11, 2010 08:09
13 yrs ago
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Spanish term

ritmado compás imperfecto

Spanish to English Other Music Religious music
El villancico A casarse con el alma consta de dos secciones: un simple “a 4” (para dos tiples, alto y tenor, con acompañamiento de arpa), que se estructura en cuatro estrofas o cuartetas de romance más un juego de cuatro coplas, organizadas cada una en dos tetrásticos, según un esquema de seguidillas (combinación de versos hepta y pentasílabos con rima asonante en los pares). En esta obra, que alterna con gracejo el compás binario “alla semibreve” con el vivaz y **ritmado compás imperfecto** –ternario– de proporción menor, se ve a Cristo como “galán”, que asiste, disfrazado –en la eucaristía–, a una fiesta, alegre, en donde no faltan alusiones a la feliz llegada de oro y perlas desde los nuevos territorios americanos.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 rhythmic triple time/meter
4 a rhythmic irregular beat
2 rhythmic imperfect metre

Discussion

Josh Goldsmith Aug 11, 2010:
Hi Emma and Lisa. I'm unsure about "imperfect meter." I think the "imperfecto" is modifying "compás," and suspect imperfect meter is something else: meter that cannot be divided into equal parts (http://books.google.es/books?id=C_FbI7Xme-8C&pg=PA207&lpg=PA... Since there is no indication that that is what is going on in this text, I might not translate both "ternario" and "compás imperfecto" independently but rather just consider them together to mean "in triple time."

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rhythmic triple time/meter

compás imperfecto and ternario both imply 3/4 time:

RAE: compás ternario.
1. m. Mús. El que se compone de tres tiempos o de un múltiplo de tres.
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=ter...

Diccionario Técnico de la Música (Felipe Pedrell, p. 105, avail. on google books):
See "compases fundamentales":
"Según dichos teóricos es compás perfecto el que consta de cuatro partes iguales e imperfecto el que sólo consta de tres."
http://books.google.es/books?id=T0CjqTY39HwC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA...

Diccionario de música: Sevilla, 1818 Escrito por Fernando Palatín,Ángel Medina (p. 51, also on google books)
"Compas imperfecto: El que consta de tres partes"
http://books.google.es/books?id=6DAOFxC6x3AC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA5...

Time signatures in 3 could be called "triple time" or "triple meter": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_metre
Peer comment(s):
agree Emma Goldsmith : You're right about the imperfect meaning. Thanks for pointing it out. However, I'm not sure how Lisa's going to add "ternario" after this?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, Joshua!"
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rhythmic imperfect metre

rhythmic imperfect metre - in triple time

Metre sounds better than "bar" here.

A circle used as a mensuration sign indicated tempus perfectum (a circle being a symbol of completeness), while an incomplete circle, resembling a letter C, indicated tempus imperfectum. Assuming the breve to be a beat, this corresponds to the modern concepts of triple meter and duple meter, respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature
http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory4.htm

I'm slightly confused as imperfect time is 4/4, which is not triple. Hence my confidence level of 2!


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Note added at 1 hr (2010-08-11 09:14:41 GMT)
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In view of Joshua's valid comment, I would put "rhythmic imperfect Spanish metre" followed by "in triple time".
Peer comment(s):
neutral Josh Goldsmith : Emma, I *think* imperfect time is 4/4 in English but "compás imperfecto" is in 3 in Spanish. See my references below. (Off topic: And yes, it's nice to meet another Goldsmith!)
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Good point. Please see the note I have added.
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a rhythmic irregular beat

A rhythmic beat but not constant in the entire carol, e.g. only in the chorus or "estibillo"/refrain. The secondary beat appears previously "on the semibreve". I think one would have to hear the carol's rhythm's to be absolutely sure.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-08-11 13:51:28 GMT)
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