Unrealistic analysis
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Jan 20

Hello everyone

I just completed a job in Memsource where the reported word count was 1100 words. There were 10 two-word TM matches only. I analyzed the source text in Wordfast Pro 5 (which can do internal fuzzy analysis), and the count came to 1600 words. So Memsource's own analysis shaved 500 words (nearly 33% off of the word count).

(Without internal fuzzy matching the non-repeating word count was 2100 words.)

Memsource's file management system is very
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Hello everyone

I just completed a job in Memsource where the reported word count was 1100 words. There were 10 two-word TM matches only. I analyzed the source text in Wordfast Pro 5 (which can do internal fuzzy analysis), and the count came to 1600 words. So Memsource's own analysis shaved 500 words (nearly 33% off of the word count).

(Without internal fuzzy matching the non-repeating word count was 2100 words.)

Memsource's file management system is very difficult to deal with, but Memsource makes up for it with its super easy DOCX export and import. Still, it appears that one would have to raise per-word rates for Memsource jobs anyway, to compensate for over-eager discount calculations.

Samuel
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Dan Lucas  Identity Verified
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Oh Jan 20

Samuel Murray wrote:
So Memsource's own analysis shaved 500 words (nearly 33% off of the word count).

Interesting, thank you for this. I shall keep a careful eye on my Memsource projects.

Dan


 

David Turnbull
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Was MT enabled in the analysis? Jan 29

Could it be that MT was enabled and you have a net rate scheme set up?

For example your analysis might be discounting a % for segments where the machine translation engine has a certain level of confidence.


 

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Agree Jan 31

I also found that word count in Memsource is ALWAYS a lot lower than in Word and in Trados.

Although I consider Memsource my favourite CAT I now try to stay away from it, as there are almost always huge discrepancies between my word count and the Memsource word count.


 

Stepan Konev  Identity Verified
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Bullets and list numbering Jan 31

I have compared an MS Word original file and Memsource statistics, and they seem to be very close to each other. Weirdly, MS Word counts automatic elements as words, including bullets and list item numbers.
'1. Introduction' (or '● Introduction') in MS Word give 2 words: '1.' (or '●') and 'Introduction'
Memsource just skips all automatic bullets and list items. MS Words doesn't.
I tried to remove all bullets and item numbers and the MS Word wordcount turned exactly the same
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I have compared an MS Word original file and Memsource statistics, and they seem to be very close to each other. Weirdly, MS Word counts automatic elements as words, including bullets and list item numbers.
'1. Introduction' (or '● Introduction') in MS Word give 2 words: '1.' (or '●') and 'Introduction'
Memsource just skips all automatic bullets and list items. MS Words doesn't.
I tried to remove all bullets and item numbers and the MS Word wordcount turned exactly the same as in Memsorce.
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Donglai Lou  Identity Verified
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I have to say no to Memsource jobs Apr 8

Today I decided to say no to all memsource jobs, at least those from that very client. in the past, I have noticed that memsource wordcount is 10% or more less than Memoq. however, jobs are often small, like a few hundred words. so it is ok.

However, the PM offered a job of 5800 weighted words. when I import both TM and mxliff files into memoq, I found the weighted words are nearly 8200 words. I can't tell whether it is a problem of memsource. since memsource doesn't allow for
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Today I decided to say no to all memsource jobs, at least those from that very client. in the past, I have noticed that memsource wordcount is 10% or more less than Memoq. however, jobs are often small, like a few hundred words. so it is ok.

However, the PM offered a job of 5800 weighted words. when I import both TM and mxliff files into memoq, I found the weighted words are nearly 8200 words. I can't tell whether it is a problem of memsource. since memsource doesn't allow for analysis in my case, I (we) am never on the same page with agents. it is indeed unfair.

Memsource is not a bad tool. To me, it is next to MemoQ. However, hiding analysis from translators may be a bonus to agencies but very evil.
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Stepan Konev  Identity Verified
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You can use your own Memsource account Apr 8

Donglai Lou wrote:
hiding analysis from translators
If you have access to their TM, you can use your own free account in Memsource to analyze your files. Also remember that memoQ counts number-only segments as words. If your file contains many tables with numbers, this may cause the difference.


 

Donglai Lou  Identity Verified
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Thank you Apr 9

Stepan Konev wrote:

Donglai Lou wrote:
hiding analysis from translators
If you have access to their TM, you can use your own free account in Memsource to analyze your files. Also remember that memoQ counts number-only segments as words. If your file contains many tables with numbers, this may cause the difference.


Hi! Stepan,

thank you very much.

I see and will definitely try the free account thing.

anyway, there are no figures and all tags have been tagged and excluded. I did try to find out the reason for difference.

the PM didn't respond to my query about the difference, either:(.


[Edited at 2021-04-09 02:03 GMT]


 

123Translations
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Depends on the PM Apr 9

I am pretty sure it all depends on the parameters set by the project manager.
I just finished a project in Memsource.
Memsource gave a word count of 7269 while Word gave a word count of 7268, so that was pretty accurate.


 

Silvia Carvalho  Identity Verified
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Depends on the PM - truly - Memsource account is accurate Apr 14

I've been a Senior PM in Localization for 20 years, currently a Localization Manager. Memsource word counts are correct if properly done. As someone wisely mentioned previously, it greatly depends on the Project Manager and their understanding of Memsource (or the training they've received). At our company, we constantly compare Word docs word counts to Memsource analyses and 99% of the time they match perfectly. Memsource doesn't include paragraph marks, dashes, bullets, etc. Word does. Other C... See more
I've been a Senior PM in Localization for 20 years, currently a Localization Manager. Memsource word counts are correct if properly done. As someone wisely mentioned previously, it greatly depends on the Project Manager and their understanding of Memsource (or the training they've received). At our company, we constantly compare Word docs word counts to Memsource analyses and 99% of the time they match perfectly. Memsource doesn't include paragraph marks, dashes, bullets, etc. Word does. Other CAT tools do the same. Hence probably why the discrepancy.
Additionally, as someone else mentioned, it also depends on the TM the project is run against and how it is applied (and whether or not the PM even understands how that works).
I recommend that if you get a project from a company that uses Memsource and you see a sizeable discrepancy, communicate the issue to the Project Manager. They should know how to deal with it. If they don't, then you can make a decision whether to take the project. We rely on great translators to let us know if something is wrong and good communication is key. Good luck, all!
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